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Hi everyone!

My first post. I have a 22 month old winter white, Timmy. In terms of his behaviours, his activity levels, eating and drinking have stayed the same, however he is experiencing weight loss. When he was much younger and in the summer, he weighed 46g. Now he's older and of course in the winter, his weight is 36-30g. I'm thinking that perhaps a vets trip is in order, but also aware that sometimes there are fluctuations in weight but this to me seems too much?

Thanks everyone for your help!
 
Hello :-) That is quite a bit of weight loss. It's fairly normal for an older hamster like this (nearly 2) to lose a bit of weight, maybe the odd few grams every few weeks or something. One common thing causing weight loss when they get older is toothache. ie too painful to eat hard food, so they're not eating properly. Or another tooth issue (missing or broken or overgrown front teeth eg). Maybe you can check his teeth. Yawning is a good way to have a good look, if he does that now and then? If not, if he's not too wriggly you could gently pull his lips/cheeks up at the sides to look.

If seeing a vet anyway the vet could check. That would show any obvious front teeth problems, but sometimes it's just toothache in the back teeth and nothing to see. Or even an arthritic jaw.

Hamsters at this age often have some arthritis or toothache and do very well on meloxicam (anti inflammatory and pain relief). I would ask the vet about some for him when you go.

In terms of food at this age, supplementing with soft food and other things can help them regain a bit of weight and keep their weight on. So for example you'd still put the usual hamster mix out (they like to hoard and pouch it out of habit even if they're not eating it really) and in addition, put out a few science selective pellets, which are then soft and mushy and contain everything needed. In addition, a pinch of shelled hemp seeds daily helps with extra calories and contains most vitamins and minerals - plus hamsters seem to love them and lick them up. Also a bit of baby food and or porridge (only certain types of baby food - we have info on here about that separately), eg on a teaspoon.

If you get prescribed meloxicam, a good way to give it is drop onto a large pea sized amount of baby food. If it's more than that they may not eat it all in one go but they usually do when it's such a small amount. And it saves bothering them with trying to give it from the syringe. One of mine is on it at the moment and he eats his baby food and meloxicam straight away and licks the plate clean :-)

Another possible thing that might be going on is diabetes. You can check for that even before you see the vet. The majority of winter whites are actually hybrid russian dwarf hamsters (ie genetically a hybrid of winter white and campbells even if they look like a winter white mostly). Ear and eye size and shape and various markings can give an idea that they are part of each species. The two species have been interbred for decades so unless he came from a specialist pedigree breeder he is almost certainly a hybrid.

Hybrid and Campbells are both predisposed to diabetes. Some will get it, some won't. But you can just some ketodiastix from a pharmacy (human ones) and dip it in some urine which will show whether there is any sugar (and/or possibly protein) in the urine. If you can get the hamster to pee in something like a plastic container. Some people pop them in a plastic pet carrier for a while without bedding to achieve that. If he does have it there isn't much you can do except be careful with diet, but it helps know what's going on and help with diet choices.

Sometimes you can guess it's diabetes just from the fact that their urine may be sweet smelling.

So yes I think a vet check would be good - so he gets a look over, in case there is anything else going on, but it may just be old age symptoms like diabetes and tooth issues.

If you can find an exotic vet that is much better as they know more about hamsters.

Other than the weight loss is he still hamstering? Using his wheel, foraging, a little bit active? Seeming ok in himself?
 
Hi everyone!

My first post. I have a 22 month old winter white, Timmy. In terms of his behaviours, his activity levels, eating and drinking have stayed the same, however he is experiencing weight loss. When he was much younger and in the summer, he weighed 46g. Now he's older and of course in the winter, his weight is 36-30g. I'm thinking that perhaps a vets trip is in order, but also aware that sometimes there are fluctuations in weight but this to me seems too much?

Thanks everyone for your help!
Welcome to the forum. I hope little Timmy can be helped ❤
 
Hi both, thanks so much for you responses, Maz yours was so detailed and thought through and I really appreciate that so thank you!
I have an appointment this morning, I will update when I can 😊
 
So Timmy comes from a pedigree breeder (I have his family tree on a certificate!) He is a biter unfortunately but I interact with him ways he is happy with, so often i feed him from my hand and sometimes get a stroke in on his head. I was really nervous with the vet today, but he was really good! She looked at his teeth, no issues but she could smell something slightly foul smelling from his mouth. She cleared and had a good look at his pouches and couldn't see any sign of infection, but his pouches were nice and full and whatever wasn't in the enclosure that I knew about snack wise must have been digested as they weren't in the pouches! So I have a weeks supply of baytril in case there is something we can't see, two weeks on metacam and we're going to monitor his weight over the next two weeks. I'm aware there's probably more they can do, but I wanted to see a vet quickly at a place where they had at least some knowledge of smaller pets. If I need to drive a while for a specialist I can do so! But thought this was pretty urgent. I'm off to get some baby food this evening and will add some water to his pellets.
 
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That all sounds really positive :-) He might have a tooth infection possibly. If he's a pedigree winter white, then he is unlikely to have diabetes I think. It would be lovely to see a photo of him!
 
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