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Tricky. I would think his toilet will not be in the same place as his nest, but may be near it. Does he have a litter tray inside the house that he uses?

You'll probably have to do what I do with our robo. Which is feel around under the substrate for a damp area. I tend to go in, in front of the house, down and across under the house. However I don't do that very regularly or it does cause a lot of disturbance (and he does use his potty as well).

It's maybe the kind of thing to do when he's out of the cage in the playpen. I actually had to lift Pip's house out eventually and start removing things from the top and keeping them in separate piles (from each chamber) so I could put them back again. The further down I got I eventually found the damp area and removed that substrate, added a bit more, put the house back in and filled the chambers up as before with what came out of them.

It's possible it might make his burrow collapse - but he'll have to redo then unfortunately.
Yes, I may be in that boat. He has a litter tray and a sandbath, but he seems to use both just for poking around. I may try to see if there's a place above his burrow (if I take the ceiling off the hideaway) that he uses for his potty 🤞Then I wouldn't necessarily have to go into the tunnel. I suppose otherwise I could try to sneak my hand in and try to just clear some poop, but yes, he may just be out of luck eventually.

How often have you done a clean out when they don't have an easy place to spot clean or they don't use the litter tray? Again, I'm not noticing a smell, but I want to make sure I'm neglecting his space, either.
 
It depends. My Syrians have always used a litter tray inside the multiroom house so I haven't had this issue. Maybe if you have a corner litter tray that fits in one of the rooms, with sand in, he might use that? With robos - I leave it longer because they pee so little.
 
Do let us know how you get on! I am sure Wally will get over it :) Just give him lots of treats afterwards. I tend to hide nice treats in various places in the cage after some cleaning upheaval - and they get distracted and happy finding them. Distracts them a bit from the horror of being invaded!
 
Do let us know how you get on! I am sure Wally will get over it :) Just give him lots of treats afterwards. I tend to hide nice treats in various places in the cage after some cleaning upheaval - and they get distracted and happy finding them. Distracts them a bit from the horror of being invaded!
Will do! Unfortunately, he's been getting up so late that I've been too tired to even look into his hideaway when he wakes up- not too tired to take him out for a bit and play, but definitely too tired to organize a longer time out where I'm doing a cleaning.

I usually take his Mazuri blocks and scatter them around his different above ground tunnels, logs, dig boxes, and my daughter loves to scatter herbs/dried flowers or whatever else around the cage. He does enjoy looking for everything, so I'll stock up on some extra treats when we get there!
 
My Syrians have always used a toilet but not the dwarfs.
I cleaned Lilly's cage out yesterday because i could smell pee. I put her in a carrier, took everything out and sorted clean substrate from smelly, removed part of the old hoard and put everything back in like it was before including extra food and treats.
Lilly didn't like to be in the carrier and i tried to be as quick as possible (important to get everything needed ready beforehand) but it's not the end of her world.
It will give her something to do and i saw her running around with mouthfuls of bedding today, re organizing her home.
 
My Syrians have always used a toilet but not the dwarfs.
I cleaned Lilly's cage out yesterday because i could smell pee. I put her in a carrier, took everything out and sorted clean substrate from smelly, removed part of the old hoard and put everything back in like it was before including extra food and treats.
Lilly didn't like to be in the carrier and i tried to be as quick as possible (important to get everything needed ready beforehand) but it's not the end of her world.
It will give her something to do and i saw her running around with mouthfuls of bedding today, re organizing her home.
From C.C. (my daughter): omg that is really cute I think she got interested and wanted to try and copy you :p
 
Wally update from C.C. (8yo): last night we took him in the office to play in his play pen which we made,that night he did not want to be held as much as usual,but he was still acting very happy and cute:3
 
Longer updates: So I did get a chance a few days ago to take the top off of Wally's hideaway and saw that he had actually totally hollowed out about 3 chambers so that he had a bigger ceiling to his sleeping chamber in the lower corner (since the hideaway is on stilts). and then totally stuffed up the front chambers with bedding as shown in earlier posts to cover those entrances. I'll have to get a picture at some point. I found some of his poops near his hoard/ sleeping area, though I didn't feel any damp spots. It could just be that he hadn't peed in awhile and that bedding (combo Carefresh/clean and cozy) is just really good at absorbing), but I switched out some of it anyway and will check it periodically.

He's become rather sedate in the past week- he stopped using his wheel, which I didn't realize for a few days, and only comes up a few times a night, during which he explores all his tunnels and corners and food gathers and then goes back to his chamber. 2 nights ago I started leaving some snacks in his silent runner to see if that will tempt him back to it. He hasn't shown any sign of illness, but we've had colds, so for all I know he's got some low energy like us this past week- or it's just his MO as a large male Syrian :)

Since the time change here in the Midwest we haven't taken him out as much between 6 and 7PM. Part of it is that we've been busy or sick, but part of it is that with the time change, it's still been pretty bright around then- not really dusk even, so I didn't think he'd want to come out, plus since he plugged up the entrances to the hideaway, it's harder to tempt him out with food. His entrance, which he created, is a long, narrow tunnel that actually rounds one corner of the cage before descending to the bottom of another corner where his next is.

However, that hasn't proven to be too big a deal because he's started waking up between 10 and 10:30PM regularly, which interrupts our reading time, but we're still awake. We've taken him to a new play area we created in our office, which he seems to enjoy more than previous areas and we can make it bigger and safer. There's an old shag carpet and we put up cardboard walls.

In spite of being less active while he's awake during the night (explores everywhere, just not using the wheel), he hasn't shown any signs of stress or unhappiness. In fact, he seems so comfortable with coming out of his cage now (though he never asks for it the way some hamsters do), that if we put his igloo transport near him, he will climb right in even if we aren't using a snack to tempt him. So that's been a fun update. It only took 4 months, but he seems wholly comfortable with us, even though his personality is more independent/ reclusive. Not sure if reclusive is the best word, but if you've seen my other posts you probably know what I'm trying to describe.

Addendum to my daughter's post: I'm pretty sure "he did not want to be held as much as usual" is her magical thinking. He's never been all that comfortable with being held. He will now sit comfortably in my hands for about 15 seconds at best, which I'll admit I really enjoy, and he does seem to genuinely relax now and trust me. She has smaller hands and hasn't quite mastered the gentle cupping hold that I use, so he never lasts very long in her hands, but we're working on it :) Our play sessions usually involve sitting and watching him in the play area with a few pets and quick holds here and there.
 
It’s lovely to have a Wally update. Not sure what it’s like where you are but it’s been a particularly cold damp spell here and our hamsters are hiding away more and keeping cost too. Our maverick Syrian still wants to come out at night but not till quite late again. I think as the warmer weather and lighter nights come you may see more of him :-). I’ve often found they come out more and earlier with lighter evenings. You’d think it would be the other way round! But they sense the change in air temperature as well I think.

If his borrow didn’t feel damp it sounds like he’s not peeing there - you’d smell it as well. If it’s not damp or whiffy I just leave the nesting area alone - they tend to refurbish it themselves and clean themselves and it can be left for really quite a long time unless pee’d in. It’s only really their pee that is unhygienic. Even the poops aren’t too bad as long as they don’t start taking over. (They sometimes eat poops as they’re corophagic - they have two stomachs and can re digest nutrients from the poops). So if spot cleaning out poops from the nesting area it’s a good idea not to remove all of them and leave some behind - or they feel robbed!

I wonder where he is peeing. With the multiroom houses they do tend to use one of the rooms as a toilet (especially if you put a litter tray in it). Although if he has burrowed out under some of the rooms it would need to be in a room that’s intact. Sometimes they put bedding over the litter tray as well (they don’t like the pre smell either!

Maybe next time you need a feel around under the substrate on areas away from the house. Wouldn’t surprise me if the tunnel led to pee area.

The rule of thumb though is - if you can’t smell it, don’t worry about it! When you start to get an aroma then start feeling around under the substrate for a damp area (or discoloured area).
 
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It’s lovely to have a Wally update. Not sure what it’s like where you are but it’s been a particularly cold damp spell here and our hamsters are hiding away more and keeping cost too. Our maverick Syrian still wants to come out at night but not till quite late again. I think as the warmer weather and lighter nights come you may see more of him :). I’ve often found they come out more and earlier with lighter evenings. You’d think it would be the other way round! But they sense the change in air temperature as well I think.

If his borrow didn’t feel damp it sounds like he’s not peeing there - you’d smell it as well. If it’s not damp or whiffy I just leave the nesting area alone - they tend to refurbish it themselves and clean themselves and it can be left for really quite a long time unless pee’d in. It’s only really their pee that is unhygienic. Even the poops aren’t too bad as long as they don’t start taking over. (They sometimes eat poops as they’re corophagic - they have two stomachs and can re digest nutrients from the poops). So if spot cleaning out poops from the nesting area it’s a good idea not to remove all of them and leave some behind - or they feel robbed!

I wonder where he is peeing. With the multiroom houses they do tend to use one of the rooms as a toilet (especially if you put a litter tray in it). Although if he has burrowed out under some of the rooms it would need to be in a room that’s intact. Sometimes they put bedding over the litter tray as well (they don’t like the pre smell either!

Maybe next time you need a feel around under the substrate on areas away from the house. Wouldn’t surprise me if the tunnel led to pee area.

The rule of thumb though is - if you can’t smell it, don’t worry about it! When you start to get an aroma then start feeling around under the substrate for a damp area (or discoloured area).
I was thinking about that with the tunnel as well, because sometimes he wakes up and moves over in the tunnel area for awhile but doesn't come all the way out. I think I do have to feel around a bit more. I also decided not to worry too much about it this week. We don't smell anything overpowering now, but also I've been stuffed up, so I know that my finer sense of smell isn't working this week. Next week I'll look a bit closer! We got a litter tray for him, but I'm not sure if I should intrude by putting it somewhere in the hideaway. Otherwise, with it being outside, I think he thinks of it as just another interesting doodad to explore :)
 
Ha ha. Yes if the potty isn’t on the location they prefer for a toilet they just see it as a curious receptacle! I think it’s fine to put a potty inside the house. One of the ideas of multiroom houses is different chambers for nesting, toiletting, hoarding etc. Ours have always used a potty litter tray if it’s inside the house. I think they like the privacy of an en-suite bathroom! Is there a room he hasn’t dug under?!
 
The last few nights Wally has kept up his patterns- up around 10:30PM, comes out for a gentle free roam/ play session, and then back to his cage. He tried out his wheel again 3 nights ago, but then surprisingly 2 nights ago didn't seem to come above ground after 11PM again. He'd eaten and pouched some food when he first came out and played with us, but I was still surprised. We are out of town for a couple of days, so we didn't seem him last night, but using our video camera I saw that he came up around 11PM for about 20 minutes- gathering food and checking out all the nooks and crannies of his space. He came up around 3AM for water, but that was it.

Below are a few recent pictures. It's fun to see him sleeping since we have a view of his burrow. I feel like I'm looking at an illustration of burrowing animals in a book. I also included a picture of his den having removed the ceiling to the 6-chamber hideaway. You can see that he's completely stuffed a few chambers and then hollowed out a large area. There is a tight tunnel you can't see that wraps around the hideaway and that he uses to emerge above ground when he wants to without actually going through the hideaway.
Also included is a picture my daughter illustrated when he went under a cardboard tent (camping themed).
 

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Aww, Wally really is so cute! Love the camping picture of Wally in the tent!
 
Very sad news: Wally passed away in his sleep some time in the last 24 hours. I have no idea why.

One night ago, while we were still away, I noticed on our camera that he only came up once around 10:22PM for food/water. As I noted in a recent post, he's seemed less active in the past week, so while this seemed extreme, he had been less active recently- for all I knew he was feeling a bit skittish lately and was spending more time tunneling. I assumed I could see if there was a behavioral change once I returned.

Last night he didn't come out before we went to sleep, which was a big break in his normal behavior. I was looking at him in his den and was worried that I couldn't see his fur moving from breathing, but again didn't want to jump to conclusions. I woke up now (3AM central time) and noticed that he still had not woken up and so I actually opened his cage and verified that he is unresponsive. Now I have to break it to my daughter tomorrow.

I'm so confused. He's only about 5 months old. He had become less active in the past 10 days, but I didn't notice any recent symptoms in his waste that indicated a change or anything to worry about based on evidence in his waste or cage. As we've noted, sometimes less activity (at least less above ground) can happen periodically for many reasons. He was still roaming his cage each night gathering food, just not using his wheel much, and he'd gone through that from time to time. Last time I weighed him (about a week ago) he weighed 10 grams less, but his middle felt like it had more girth when I'd pick him up. We had the scale on carpet, so I figured we had just weighed him improperly one time or the other. I had also noticed recently that he seemed to struggle a bit to lift himself up or climb in the few places where he could do that- either in his cage or playpen. Those are the only details I can think of that may have indicated anything. I guess I'll never know if he ate something improper, but I can't think that he did, and we only use Carefresh, Aspen and Clean and Cozy bedding.

I haven't removed him from his sleeping chamber yet, so I don't know if doing that will reveal any details around him that I couldn't see from above. I'll wait to do that with C.C.
 
I'm very sorry to hear your sad news about Wally. Sending warm hugs for you and your daughter 💕
 
Clacombe, I am so so sorry to hear this. What an awful shock. It would never have been anything you did. I suspect it was a genetic issue. You and your daughter gave Wally the most wonderful love and care. I hope your daughter will be okay.
 
I hardly know what to say to you because i'm quite shocked myself to read this sad news.

One thing i can say is that Wally's early departure has nothing to do with the care he received from you and your family. He was a very well cared for and loved hamster.

Sadly, this can happen for many reasons and i know people who have lost young hamsters suddenly and for no obvious reasons. Some hamsters are born with a weak heart and then fade away at a young age.

I am so sorry that you have to experience this and that your young daughter has to deal with the facts of life sooner than expected.

One consolation is that Wally had a short but happy life full of love and care.
 
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