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I’ve just bought a male Syrian and I’ve got the cage size wrong for the 2nd time!
I first bought the habitat 2 from peta at home then yesterday I swapped it for the habitat 3 but after researching I think I need the plaza 100!
Does anyone think the habitat 2 is too small as I keep reading it is
He’s so calm and tame already but I want to give him the best
His name is Mr Truffles

Louise
 
I’ve just bought a male Syrian and I’ve got the cage size wrong for the 2nd time!
I first bought the habitat 2 from peta at home then yesterday I swapped it for the habitat 3 but after researching I think I need the plaza 100!
Does anyone think the habitat 2 is too small as I keep reading it is
He’s so calm and tame already but I want to give him the best
His name is Mr Truffles

Louise
Sorry I meant he’s now in the habitat 3 but still reading it’s unsuitable
 
Hello :-) It's a nightmare isn't it? Many of us had the same thing with a first hamster. And had to upgrade when we knew better (or in my case researching when the hamster got cage rage quite quickly).

Actually I think the Habitat 3 is an ok size if it's the one linked below - it just doesn't have very good access doors. The Plaza is definitely easier for access and spot cleaning, and also tall enough to fit enough bedding plus an 11" or 12" wheel. Whereas the Habitat 3 is tall enough for a dwarf hamster wheel but for a Syrian, it wouldn't leave enough space for bedding as well perhaps. It is doable if having a deep bedding "end" but not ideal.

 
Did you manage to get a refund for the Habitat 2? That one is definitely too small. Some people have taken them back for a refund :-) Even if used. I think you might struggle with the access with the Habitat 3. ie not be able to interact with the hamster and have to take the bars off to spot clean - and that can also mean the hamster can jump out! That happened to me once. There are usually quite a lot of plazas available second hand for £30 to £40! So if you got one of those and a refund for the Habitat 3 you might even be in profit! (Sort of).

Which cage is he in at the moment and how is he doing? They usually need about 3 weeks to adjust to a new home and cage before any major changes. The exception to that is if he is frantic and bar chewing in the small cage then an upgrade in that period is of benefit.
 
I’ve done so much reading today I’m exasperated 😩😆
It says the habitat 3 is ok for a male Syrian but not a female
Mr. Truffles is obviously male
I’ve sloped the wood shavings higher at one end and buried tubes and wooden bridges into it
Also taken out the plastic platform and managed to fit a large wooden wheel at the shallow end
He’s so chilled and doesn’t seem stressed
I feel like it’s my child 😆 worried sick xx
 
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I know I feel like that about them too - especially our first one - my child! There is nothing wrong with the Habitat 3 if he is happy with it and you are ok using it, and providing his wheel is big enough :-) It's a good size in terms of floor space, which is the main thing. Female Syrians tend to be notorious for needing a lot of space and being very active and demanding! Whereas males are generally seen as more placid, even lazy! Both are generalisations though and I've had a super active, demanding male as well! The "average" male hamster will be happy in the cage, providing it works for him and you - eg providing he has enough enrichment and a large enough wheel, and you can manage the spot cleaning ok. As I mentioned, you'll probably need to take the top bars off to do any spot cleaning, so it could be an idea to get him out into a playpen or pet carrier, before doing the cleaning in case he tries to jump out with the top off.
 
I know I feel like that about them too - especially our first one - my child! There is nothing wrong with the Habitat 3 if he is happy with it and you are ok using it, and providing his wheel is big enough :-) It's a good size in terms of floor space, which is the main thing. Female Syrians tend to be notorious for needing a lot of space and being very active and demanding! Whereas males are generally seen as more placid, even lazy! Both are generalisations though and I've had a super active, demanding male as well! The "average" male hamster will be happy in the cage, providing it works for him and you - eg providing he has enough enrichment and a large enough wheel, and you can manage the spot cleaning ok. As I mentioned, you'll probably need to take the top bars off to do any spot cleaning, so it could be an idea to get him out into a playpen or pet carrier, before doing the cleaning in case he tries to jump out with the top off.
I’ve managed to get the large wooden wheel in the shallow end of the cage and it fits fine and he’s running on it right now 😆
Is spot cleaning just me taking out wet wood shavings in his bed area?
Also when I clean him out I read not to employ all his wood shavings as it can stress him
How often should I completely clean the whole cage out?
He’s very tame and calm already and we only got him weds
Just annoyed with pets at home and they don’t seem to care about his welfare x
 
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I’ve managed to get the large wooden wheel in the shallow end of the cage and it fits fine and he’s running on it right now 😆
Is spot cleaning just me taking out wet wood shavings in his bed area?
Also when I clean him out I read not to employ all his wood shavings as it can stress him
How often should I completely clean the whole cage out?
He’s very tame and calm already and we only got him weds
Just annoyed with pets at home and they don’t seem to care about his welfare x

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He's gorgeous! It's lovely he's so tame and friendly. I've added our cage cleaning guide below :-) I think if he is tame and friendly, you should be able to let him out regularly by putting a rat tube over the small front door, with a smelly piece of cucumber at the far end (ie your end) and he could just walk into it. Then transport him in the tube/taxi to where you have him out. I'd make sure the room is hamsterproofed if not using a playpen. Even fairly tame hamsters can get into awkward places!

Or does he just come to the cage door to come out? If so then that's good!
 
Love his ears! And he's a lovely colour too.

The cage cleaning guide

 
In terms of bedding, I would look into getting paper bedding. You don't have to change it all now, you could do it gradually as you spot clean. Pine shavings aren't the best. They should say dust extracted and kiln dried on the bag, as all shavings in the uk have to be kiln dried, but if it just says "softwood" rather than pine, it could be all kinds of wood, which isn't healthy for hamsters respiratory tracts. Pine itself, even if kiln dried isn't particularly good for them long term either. But he'll be fine for now. Popular beddings are Kaytee Clean and Cosy, Bucatstate paper bedding and Fitch recycled food grade paper bedding.
 
Thank you all so much!!! I’ll see how we get on but I was just super stress about the cage size
When we had them as a child they were in the rotary stacks!!!! And now it’s seems so extreme x
 
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Thank you all so much!!! I’ll see how we get on but I was just super stress about the cage size
When we had them as a child they were in the rotary stacks!!!! And now it’s seems so extreme x
Yes I had a boyfriend with a hamster in a rotostak many years ago. He seemed ok but his cage was left open all the time and he just came and went and free roamed! Makes me flinch thinking about the hazards now of unsupervised overnight free roaming!

So when we got our first hamster for our 6 year old I bought this super duper new 3 storey rotostak with a large base and loads of external tubes that looked like a spaceship. Got it completely wrong! The hamster got stuck in the tubes and got cage rage. I then did my research and moved him to an 80 x 50 cage within two weeks! He was so much happier!

I wouldn't say it's extreme exactly - but you're right there are some areas of the internet where everything is bigger and bigger and more and more contents. Some people want to give more and can do. I think the main change was about 10 years ago when it became accepted that a basic large enough open cage was better than modular units like rotostaks, which don't have enough ventilation or allow for natural behaviours.

Around that time the RSPCA had a minimum cage size of 80cm x 50cm. And that was seen as a minimum size for a long time, even when the RSPCA stopped publishing any minimum cage size. But even then, many people found that the 100cm x 50cm cages were much better for Syrians as you could fit their bigger wheels and houses in better and give them a bit more to do. I've been using 100cm cages for nearly 12 years now.

In the past few years, that has become the accepted minimum recommended size for all hamsters, via a few pet charities. So I think it's a good thing, but it was very difficult at first as many people were still happily using 80 x 50 cages! Gradually people have adjusted. Anything smaller than 80 x 50 though is too small and has been accepted as too small for many years.

They do need space at night, their most active time, when we're asleep and a wheel isn't enough really. While some people will give bigger and bigger, and the hamster may enjoy that, it isn't necessary and most hamsters are perfectly happy in 100cm x 50cm (approximately). Other than some female syrians! I do have a 120cm cage - which I got for my maverick male, and he loved it, but that really did seem big! It was fairly easy to manage but bigger than that and you might need help!

I think it's a positive thing. For too long, hamsters weren't really respected as animals with needs and just seen as small so put them in small cages. But in fact dwarf hamsters are just as active, if not more so, than larger syrian hamsters, and they all need space. But not empty space! That scares them. So enrichment is plenty of bedding, hidey places, a platform or shelf etc, as well as their wheel - so they feel secure and can dive into things. Although some will get so confident they will be out in the open in the cage.
 
Yes I had a boyfriend with a hamster in a rotostak many years ago. He seemed ok but his cage was left open all the time and he just came and went and free roamed! Makes me flinch thinking about the hazards now of unsupervised overnight free roaming!

So when we got our first hamster for our 6 year old I bought this super duper new 3 storey rotostak with a large base and loads of external tubes that looked like a spaceship. Got it completely wrong! The hamster got stuck in the tubes and got cage rage. I then did my research and moved him to an 80 x 50 cage within two weeks! He was so much happier!

I wouldn't say it's extreme exactly - but you're right there are some areas of the internet where everything is bigger and bigger and more and more contents. Some people want to give more and can do. I think the main change was about 10 years ago when it became accepted that a basic large enough open cage was better than modular units like rotostaks, which don't have enough ventilation or allow for natural behaviours.

Around that time the RSPCA had a minimum cage size of 80cm x 50cm. And that was seen as a minimum size for a long time, even when the RSPCA stopped publishing any minimum cage size. But even then, many people found that the 100cm x 50cm cages were much better for Syrians as you could fit their bigger wheels and houses in better and give them a bit more to do. I've been using 100cm cages for nearly 12 years now.

In the past few years, that has become the accepted minimum recommended size for all hamsters, via a few pet charities. So I think it's a good thing, but it was very difficult at first as many people were still happily using 80 x 50 cages! Gradually people have adjusted. Anything smaller than 80 x 50 though is too small and has been accepted as too small for many years.

They do need space at night, their most active time, when we're asleep and a wheel isn't enough really. While some people will give bigger and bigger, and the hamster may enjoy that, it isn't necessary and most hamsters are perfectly happy in 100cm x 50cm (approximately). Other than some female syrians! I do have a 120cm cage - which I got for my maverick male, and he loved it, but that really did seem big! It was fairly easy to manage but bigger than that and you might need help!

I think it's a positive thing. For too long, hamsters weren't really respected as animals with needs and just seen as small so put them in small cages. But in fact dwarf hamsters are just as active, if not more so, than larger syrian hamsters, and they all need space. But not empty space! That scares them. So enrichment is plenty of bedding, hidey places, a platform or shelf etc, as well as their wheel - so they feel secure and can dive into things. Although some will get so confident they will be out in the open in the cage.
This is so helpful and you’ve eased my anxiety
I’ve taken into account all you’ve said
Thank you so much ☺️
 
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