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My new hamster Willow is my first hamster. I’ve heard to make a routine when taming her by feeding her a treat out of your hand everyday. That works really well and I can even pick her up when she is enjoying a baby puff. Unfortunately, the has associated by hand with treats and she bites it whenever I get close. I know she doesn’t mean it in an aggressive way but I’m not sure what to do because she bites hard enough to make you bleed. I like that she thinks of me as the treat lady but I want to be able to hold her without a treat. Any advice?
 
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Whenever I stick my hand in there she immediately goes over to it so she can bite! (Also sorry for all the reply’s I keep thinking of thinks to add)
 
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This is quite a common problem with Russian hamsters but they do tend to grow out of it so try not to worry too much.
Are you putting your hand into the cage?
Sometimes especially with females they can get a little bit territorial, when this is the case it’s better to keep your hand out of the cage as much as possible when they’re in there & keep interaction to out of cage time in the playpen.

Do you have a playpen yet?
If you can set up a playpen with lots of hides, tunnels & things to explore & some treats to find she will really enjoy that, it can take them a little while to get confident with it so best to start with just a short time maybe every other day or every few days building up to longer periods each day as she gets more confident.

It’s hard I know but try not to react when she bites, keep your hand still then just slowly move it away.

You could try burying your fingers in the substrate & putting a treat on your palm they’re less likely to bite that way.

Hopefully it’s just the usual exploratory bites they do when young & she will grow out of it soon.

Some people se gloves but I wouldn’t recommend it, it doesn’t help them get used to your hands & gloves can actually encourage them to bite more.
 
Agree with elusive (who knows more about Russian dwarfs than me anyway), and generally taming is best done out of the cage. Personally I think taming doesn't always have to be done with food as well - it can invite a nibble as your hand smells of food. I would leave it a couple of days. Because the other thing is they sometimes find it too much if it's every day and like to have a bit of their own space.

So at this stage now, maybe try offering her a "taxi" - eg a tube with a smelly treat at the far end and see if she will walk in - then you put your hands over the ends of the tube to lift her out. I'd suggest having a box next to the cage that you can put the tube down in and then carry the box to a safe taming area. If you don't have a playpen, or way of sectioning off a small area of the room, you can use the dry bathtub. Maybe with a hide of some kind in it (cardboard is fine - eg a tissue box) or a mug on its side. Then put the box in the bath on its side so she can walk out. You can put the tube in the bath as well.

She will get used to being transported somewhere in her taxi.

This taming article might help :-)

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Currently doing some bathtub bonding with her. Unfortunately, she is still biting my hand. Even if I just put my hand in the bathtub, she will crawl over just to bite me. What should I do?
 
Something interesting is that when I wear a sock in my hand, she doesn’t bite at all, is curious, and likes to climb up my hand. When I put my bare hand in there the same way, she immediately bites me. I’m very confused because she isn’t scared or she wouldn’t approach my hand in the first place. She isn’t territorial because this is in the bathtub which is a new environment. And she doesn’t just like biting things because she doesn’t bite the sock. She does the same with my sister. Something about human hands make her bite you! Any ideas on why and how to stop this?
 
As I said before this is quite normal behaviour for a young Russian hamster, it isn’t fear or aggression although it can be a bit territorial in the cage & they do usually grow out of it but it takes a little time, and a few bites unfortunately!

I wouldn’t use the bath for a Russian hamster personally.

Have you thought about getting a playpen yet? I’m not sure what’s available where you are but if you can get or make something big enough for you to sit in with her you can then just let her climb on you or approach you as she wants to & she’ll get more familiar without too much risk of biting.
If it’s not big enough to sit in then you can just sit beside it & put your hand in, she may still bite for a while but she should get over that.

Do you use scented soap? Sometimes it can be something on our hands that makes them curious enough to bite, washing your hands with an unscented soap before interacting can help, you can also try rubbing some of her substrate over your hands so you smell more like her than you, that might help a bit.
Also if you feed treats by hand there will always be some scent from the treats on your hands which can cause a bit of an exploratory nibble sometimes.
 
Something interesting is that when I wear a sock in my hand, she doesn’t bite at all, is curious, and likes to climb up my hand. When I put my bare hand in there the same way, she immediately bites me. I’m very confused because she isn’t scared or she wouldn’t approach my hand in the first place. She isn’t territorial because this is in the bathtub which is a new environment. And she doesn’t just like biting things because she doesn’t bite the sock. She does the same with my sister. Something about human hands make her bite you! Any ideas on why and how to stop this?
I think it’s very early days and there’s a need to take things slowly but I also know how demoralising it is when this kind of thing seems permanent (even though it probably isn’t).

I think you answered your own question there when you mentioned she doesn’t bite if you have a sock over your hand. My current Syrian Raffy was a biter when I got him (rescue) he was perfectly fine unless a hand cane anywhere near him, even in the playpen. So I did decide to wear a glove. It meant I could relax more and he didn’t bite when I had the glove on. With him I guessed it was fear of hands due to past history possibly (eg if he’d had rough handling before or been dropped eg).

As Elusuve says it’s more common with Russian dwarf hamsters but I think it’s time and patience as it was for me with Raffy. I got him used to eating from my gloved hand and sitting on my gloved hand and accepting the odd stroke on the back with a gloved hand. As he got used to it, I carried on without the glove and he still sat on my hand to eat and didn’t nip - but still didn’t like a hand coming towards him for a stroke. But by then he was used to going to and from his cage in a tube taxi so a bit more tame generally so I started to have him out on the sofa with me rather than in a playpen. That was much better because me and my hand were on the same level as him on the sofa. So I suspect it was partly not like a hand coming from above him when he was in the playpen. Once on the sofa I could just pick him up and he’d sit for a stroke for a minute or two and then want to be off again. Even now if you try to hold him for more than a few seconds (eg to do a health check) he “threatens” to nip - but doesn’t actually do it.

But the main thing is when you’ve first got a hamster - to not try to do too much too soon. It does take a lot of patience. This may be her way of saying - leave me alone for a bit.

I suggest leaving her for a week now and then starting again. How do you get her out of her enclosure? If picking her up, I’d suggest letting her walk into something with a treat in it instead.

Let her adjust gradually until she knows you well. It’s frustrating and can take time and patience but just keep talking to her.

With my new Syrian I was talking to a seemingly empty cage for about three weeks. It’s only really two months later that he has stopped avoiding my hand.

Their personalities vary but sometimes they just need a bit more settling in time. You haven’t had her long and it’s usually best to wait 10 days to two weeks before attempting taming because she needs that time to fully adjust to her new cage and surroundings, scent mark, have habits in the cage and make it her own. So also don’t do any cleaning or changing things for the first couple of weeks either or she could see you as a threat.

I would go back to just talking to her. Then in maybe a week’s time try her out of the cage again and wear a glove. She is still only a baby :)

I quite like using a bath initially and making it more like a playpen - you could put a blanket on the bottom to make it cosier and have some tissue box hides, cardboard tunnels and a chew in there and it can help to have spare wheel in there is well (but not her wheel from her cage or she’ll get confused as she’ll associate its scent with her cage). And just let her explore and run round a bit. I saw one person in a video suggest only presenting your fisted hand so no fingers to nibble. Eg have your hand in a fist on the floor of the bath/pen, with the back of your hand facing up. Abd just let her sniff and investigate. Although you might still get a nibble on the knuckles. But it really is a case of taking it very slowly.

Some people use a large box at first - if you have one. But that depends on the hamster - some of them hate being in a large box - at least with a larger area you can put your arm in at an angle.

Leave it a week - one out of cage session. Wait two or three days - another out of cage session. It gives her time to get used to you and coming out of the cage, before she gets used to hands.

You could maybe sit in the bath as well? If you do that, have someone else there and shut the door and check the bathroom to make it hamsterproof as they can run up your arm and jump out. So it needs someone else there to block that if it happens. A playpen is easier in that respect if it’s bigger.

Patience is the key and going at the hamster’s pace, but it can be very frustrating initially.

If you can get a nightcam at some point, you can enjoy watching what she gets up to at night :). Thats when they’re most active.
 
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Ok thank you for all the help. It’s refreshing to get an idea of what might be happening and what I should do. I’ll leave her alone for a while to let her settle in. Also, do you know if the playpen in the link below is suitable? Thank you for all the help! Link
 
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I think @Jain has something like that for her dwarf hamster :) These are popular too - you can make them as small or as large as you want, but they're not so easy to take up and down and more for if you can leave up permanently. Whereas the one you linked will fold away easily. On the other hand the one I've linked would be easier to sit inside with the hamster.

Plastic playpen
 
Ok thank you for all the help. It’s refreshing to get an idea of what might be happening and what I should do. I’ll leave her alone for a while to let her settle in. Also, do you know if the playpen in the link below is suitable? Thank you for all the help! Link
Sizewize and ease of putting up and storing away great but it must have a fully zipped top piece I originally left the top off that was until smarty pants Pete found a way to negotiate the 6"slippy fabric at the top now to his disgust it's Alcatraz fortunately he dosent chew. We often leave the side door unzipped though when we can watch him free roaming in and out and he is more entertaining than rubbish t.v 😄
 
Pete in his playpen the ladders are not steep at all its the angle of the camera 20240410_183211.jpg
 
So do you mean he climbed the fabric sides to the top?
 
Yes he went up the netting as far as it went up then stretched from there to the fabric rim adjoining the top of the yellow fabric then he was literally over the outside of fabric rim at the top threatened to jump down at this point we apprehended the little escape artist fortunately we never leave him alone if he's not safe in his cage as he never ceases to amaze us with his ingenuity coupled with intelligence
 
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