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It has occurred t o me it could have come from Raffy’s cage. This happened when I moved Pickle to a lovely new set up 2 or 3 years ago. I suspected the hemp mats which hasn’t been in the freezer.

I shall have a poke around in his cage and hoard later.

Pip has a lot less to do in the smaller cage but plenty of bedding. Hope he’s ok. He showed no interest in anything except sitting in the sand box and chewing the cardboard/hay edges. Then went in the shoebox. Haven’t seen him since.
 
Hope both cages are moth free and it was just a random moth that had flown into your home late in the evening. I squashed one a couple of weeks ago near Hams cage and had a good look round after but fingers crossed no more.
 
Thanks Zara. It was a bit freaky seeing it or them going in the bars. One at the front and up the ladder. One on the top bars on the other video. Going through the top. Unless it was the same one.
 
I was chasing a small moth the other night and couldn't catch it. They usually end up sitting somewhere like the ceiling or walls.

Maybe the moth in Pip's cage wasn't a pantry moth. I think that you would have found some evidence in his cage and seen more moths.
 
Thanks Zara. It was a bit freaky seeing it or them going in the bars. One at the front and up the ladder. One on the top bars on the other video. Going through the top. Unless it was the same one.
That would have freaked me out as well. I didn't even see the moth in the videos but my eyes aren't great in the heat.
 
I haven’t seen a single moth in the house (touch wood) and nothing on the fly paper so maybe Pip did eat it :)
 
I spoke too soon. A moth fluttered by me and landed on the wall. I am sure it was the one that went in Pip's cage, still hanging around! I went to squash it but it had disappeared behind the curtains. Shook the curtains and no sign of it. Might get the moth traps out! I want to get that blooming moth! I don't want it going in Raffy's cage .............. Pip's is in the other room now. Couldn't quite tell what type it was but I'm suspicious.
 
I spoke too soon. A moth fluttered by me and landed on the wall. I am sure it was the one that went in Pip's cage, still hanging around! I went to squash it but it had disappeared behind the curtains. Shook the curtains and no sign of it. Might get the moth traps out! I want to get that blooming moth! I don't want it going in Raffy's cage .............. Pip's is in the other room now. Couldn't quite tell what type it was but I'm suspicious.
It's maddening, isn't it? I didn't find the small one fluttering by me either. You will catch it yet.
 
OH said he’d got it. But then said there’s another one as well and he lost that.
 
I just moved the last few posts onto here rather than me talking about it on Pip’s thread.

OH just got the second one. Let’s hope that was all. His eyesight is better than mine.
 
Great. Glad your OH got them.
I'm at work and a moth just landed on the desk but it's a cream coloured one.
I left it alone because there are no hamsters here. Lucky for the moth.
 
Ha ha, yes, lucky moth. I'm like you and it's only if I see the small brownish looking ones that I give them a swat.

I moved a plant pot in the garden and found a real beauty today, my daughter came for a look and then we thought best put the pot back and leave it to rest in the dark again. There really are some beautiful moths around, just not the small brownish pantry looking ones 😆
 
I was looking something up today to check if vinegar actually killed moth eggs (I thought it did but wanted to check) rather than just using soap to wash things. It does by the way. But I also came across an article about freezing for killing moths and eggs and larvae. I did all this research years ago but this article said freezing for a week only kills most of the moth eggs (this was for clothes moths but assume it’s the same) and to make sure they’re all gone you need to take things out of the freezer - let them get to room temperature and freeze them again for another week. How they know this I don’t know - but it might explain why I got a minor outbreak in Pickle’s cage a couple of years ago - everything had been in the freezer.

That would be a real palaver having to freeze everything twice for two weeks!
 
I too have heard things need to be frozen twice. It would be a huge hassle especially with a small freezer!
 
I’d really like to know the science behind that thinking, not sure how it would make a difference to thaw & refreeze & doing that can increase any bacteria that might be on things too.
 
I can't work that out either! With eggs. I could understand it with larvae or actual moths, as they may just go dormant with the first freezing, then come out of dormancy when back at room temperature, and the second freezing finally kill them off due to being weak coming out of dormancy? Eggs I think are permanently dormant, unless the right conditions are there for them to hatch - ie very warm temperatures. The article I read said something about having things at 70 degrees f after the first freezing. Which is just over 21 degrees C. Slightly warmer than you'd have central heating. So maybe the idea is to bring the eggs out of dormancy and then kill them off.
 
I’d really like to know the science behind that thinking, not sure how it would make a difference to thaw & refreeze & doing that can increase any bacteria that might be on things too.
Take the point about bacteria but that would be mainly on raw food stuffs like meat wouldn't it? As I have just had to refreeze all my previously frozen dried hamster food and treats that were in the vicinity of the cage and not in sealed boxes, I would think it's ok with dried stuff.
 
It may be that eggs are resistant to freezing so you’re only killing any that have begun to hatch out not the eggs themselves & thawing to a warm temperature will cause the eggs to hatch & then be vulnerable to freezing. I just wondered if thee was any inof confirming that.
 
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