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Thought this would make an interesting thread :) Some of us started off with the wrong cage, then upgraded, and then possibly changed layouts etc.

So in this thread it's about showing the hamster's cage progression - if applicable!

For the last few years, mine have all gone straight into 100cm cages - Savic Plazas, so not much to show there.

Our first hamster Charlie, however, got to a 100cm cage by a circuitous route!

His first cage was this awful Rotostak space command (now discontinued thankfully - in fact I think the company has closed down)! He was only in it two weeks.

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I had done minimal research, and at the time, googling showed a cage needed to be about 60cm x 40cm. The only other hamster I had part owned some 25 years previously, had been in a Rotostak so I just looked those up. But the older rotostaks didn’t have external tubes - he free roamed and was a smaller hamster (hindsight). The base unit was only about 41cm by 57cm, but I convinced myself that with all the units combined, it would add up to enough floorspace. And made space for this sized cage. Our 6 year old loved it of course, But it became very clear in the first couple of weeks that the hamster didn't love it. There was bedding in the bottom unit and he nested there. He used the inner tubes to reach the other units and the long, yellow outer tube to get down to the base again from the top. The round yellow top piece held an integral food dish so we put his food in there. He would go up there, pouch his food, then turn round and poop in the food dish. Coming down in the yellow tube he would then pee in the tubes.

Scarily, the tubes kept coming apart easily and I was worried he might push them open and escape (he didn't but it can happen).

When I put my hand in the top door of the base unit he would charge at my hand. He had cage rage - I realised that wasn't right. He also looked a bit depressed somehow. And while he used the vertical inner tubes and seemed to get used to going up and down vertically, he seemed to be growing quite quickly.

Within those first two weeks he would often sit in the middle unit (with small bars at the top) and frantically hang onto those bars chewing them. It was clear he wanted to get out. That unit did have an exit hole that could be unplugged, so we'd let him out into a hamster ball when he chewed those bars (sorry yes, he used a hamster ball as well - but they were commonly used circa 2014).

I was having my doubts about this cage though very quickly - the bottom unit used to get a bit steamed up with condensation - there was virtually no ventilation! Just a few holes in the lid. Then one day he got stuck in one of the vertical tubes. He had grown noticeably larger very quickly and the internal tubes were narrower than the yellow external tube. We weren't sure what to do - he'd climbed up it - his head was sticking out of the top and he was wedged. I was about to start dismantling the whole cage when he managed to pull himself through.

But that was it - it wasn't safe. I immediately felt like a terrible Hamster Mum and had to make things right for little (or rather big) Charlie. I detached all the vertical units and had them horizontally on the floor, joined only by the yellow tubes, while I sat up all night, researching online and found the RSPCA minimum cage size was recommended as 80cm by 50cm - read a few hamster sites to see cage recommendations, and that night, ordered a Savic Micky 2XL (80cm by 50cm) which arrived the next day. At a cost of £86 - which was a lot for a cage then. I had already spent about that on the first cage - I think it was £40 but we bought a few addons and extras. And also got a bigger, 29cm wheel as well.

My next mistake

The Savic Mickey 2XL arrived and I set it up, with about 3" of wood shavings, a shelf from a Hamster Heaven (sold separately) and a hanging ladder thing with chains (which I quickly realised wasn't safe).

And then took him out of the rotostak and put him in his new cage before I went to bed. Wrong. I had moved him cold turkey. Next morning he was just sitting shaking and not sleeping anywhere. This carried on for a few days - sitting shaking. We were so worried we nearly moved him back into the rotostak - but couldn't because he'd got stuck in the tubes. We put a blanket over the cage.

After about 10 days he was suddenly happy and enjoying his cage and loving his new big wheel.

This was his first set up in the Savic Mickey 2XL - hardly any bedding. :(At that time the advice was 3 to 4" of bedding. The cable ties sticking out at the side were to close larger gaps at the edge of the cage - I didn't realise you could snip them off at the time :ROFLMAO:

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You can just see a bit of his nest poking out of the green pod house on the shelf, which was where he chose to nest and hoard. It would get so stuffed with bedding and food, the top kept popping off and he'd be very upset and look at me as if I had done it. The potty with sand in was moved to the corner of the shelf to cover a little yellow pot, that was supposed to be a food bowl, but because it was in a corner he thought it was a toilet and kept peeing in it, which got messy with pee running down the shelf. So I moved the potty over the top of it. Every morning I'd come down and he'd pushed the potty away from the corner and it was half way down the shelf and he'd pee'd in the pot underneath. One day I saw what happened and he'd been pushing the pot up from under the shelf which moved the litter tray. Another time he actually ended up aquaplaning down the shelf, in the potty as it was wet underneath from him peeing on the shelf! There is a little wood house in there which he completely ignored. He'd investigate it, look perplexed and go back to his tiny pod house.

The first thing to go was the hanging ladder when I found he'd climbed on it one night, his legs went through the rungs, and he then jumped off it, and nearly got a foot caught in one of the chains. Dangerous. So that went. And instead I bought a large fleece hammock for the corner of the cage. Wrong. He loved it but immediately started chewing it, so that had to come out too.

Eventually the shelf and pod house had to go as well - the ladder broke and the little pod house just kept popping off and messing up his nest. I still have that little green pod house and use it in the pet carrier as a hidey place. Charlie was always very attached to it and so happy when he saw it again in his playpen. That’s when I learned hamsters have memories - of familiarity at least.

So then I basically had an empty cage to re-do and after a bit more research, bought a few more natural things. I had this idea that I could replace the shelf with a large flat topped house, to make a shelf and a house. That went down a storm - he loved the large house, moved straight in, built a big nest. But stopped using his litter tray. He was peeing in one corner of the house. So I moved his litter tray inside the house.

This was before I knew that the Germans sold houses you could fit litter trays inside! I learned by trial and error watching Charlie and observing his likes and dislikes - he was a sensitive hamster and we formed a close bond and I studied his behaviour and learned a lot from him. He was also our family pet and loved all of us. But I did most of the care and was in love with him! Wanted everything right for him.

So this was his next incarnation in the Mickey 2XL. I can't remember where I came across the idea of a vine branch - maybe I'd seen some German websites by then. But it filled that corner and gave access to the large sputnik. This was a guinea pig house. The bendy bridge over the door was to give him access to the roof but he loved the tunnel entrance - and it makes it dark inside which he seemed to love. So he was very happy with this set up. Mostly. The smaller sputnik over his house roof was where I would put his veg and he'd climb into it from the little red bench. I'd also switched to Fitch by then although that isn't fitch - maybe it was Carefresh natural. I wasn't keen on Carefresh though so used Fitch after that.

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As you can see - more bedding - I decided he needed more to make it cosy. I say he was mostly happy in this cage - he wasn't keen on the long stick ladder as it moved if he climbed on it and it didn't really go anywhere. Then it snapped at one end - more broken rubbish hamster toys and money down the drain! So that came out.

I also thought he didn't really have enough to do in there. Although this was the size of cage that most people used for Syrian hamsters. The RSPCA minimum 80 x 50 and the Hamster Heaven (same size) was massively popular at this time. These cages were seen as huge. There was, however, a bigger one. The 100cm Alexander cage from Zooplus and after I bought the Mickey 2XL I regretted not having bought something bigger like the Alexander. I had rearranged the entire room to fit this cage in and actually had another 20cm of space in the end and could have fitted a bigger cage in.

He loved his sputnik and could actually pull himself up into it from floor level - but he also sometimes jumped out as well which worried me a bit. So I tied his cardboard rat tube to the roof of the cage, leading between the house roof and the sputnik. This did two things. It stopped him jumping out of the sputnik and it gave him a "roof run". Somehwere else to go and more to do. And I kept having roof runs for quite a long time as hamsers seemed to love them.

So then it looked like this (not very glamorous!)

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It stayed like this for quite a long time until his wheel broke. I ended up replacing it with a 12" wobust wheel as the wood ones had issues at the time, and that filled almost a third of the cage! Also his house got quite pee soaked. He did use the litter tray but - it got pee soaked anyway.

By then I had been reading about how hamsters liked deeper bedding (especially in the US, where people had tanks, some were giving them 30cm of bedding and saying they dug tunnels). In the Uk tanks were astronomically expensive and almost everyone used barred cages. There were the perspex duna tanks which some people used for dwarf hamsters, but they were quite low and not as large. And neither they nor a barred cage would fit 30cm of bedding.

But after the house got damaged, I decided to try Charlie with deep bedding and put the small house where the big one had been in instead. Filled the base with bedding and piled it high in the middle. And he started to dig a tunnel or two. I thought this would make him happy but it didn't seem to at all. He'd emerge from his tunnel with his ears down, his "nest" under the substrate would get all pee soaked and he seemed nervous of coming out of the tunnel. The tunnel "exit" came up under the house. So he was using the house as a kind of "porch" :-) The small house started subsiding when he dug tunnels so I swapped it for a carrot cottage.

Here is this incarnation. Deeper substrate (probably about 8" in the middle) and a small house - and it seems a bit bare. As you can see, itby then I had learned that cable ties could be snipped off and still stay fastened - so the "eyelashes" have gone :-) His wobust wheel is hung from the roof to spin upside down - it made the wodent wheels more stable and so you could actually get some substrate under the wheel. I think there was only about 2cm of substrate under the wheel! And it had to slope up away from the wheel to have it deeper in the rest of the cage. I was still wishing I'd bought a 100cm Alexander cage. (At that time the Barney cage was also an 80cm cage or maybe 82cm, but a bit taller).

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Anyway as he was unhappy with this I bought another large house (even larger this time) and swapped it for the carrot cottage. He moved straight into it, built a huge nest, and never dug another tunnel again - although he did like burying hoards under his nest with the deeper substrate. He started using his litter tray in the house again. I was actually aware of Rodipet houses by then, with rooms., but they were expensive, so I bought a Ferplast Sin Rabbit house instead. Far too small for a rabbit and slightly smaller than a rodipet labyrinth house - but just one large room. It did, however, have a lift off roof - so I didn't need to take the house out to empty the toilet and could avoid his nest collapsing.

Those houses are very tall, so there was no need to support it underneath, it just sat on the cage base and I piled the substrate round the outside and inside the house until it was the right height inside. This was all born out of needing a shelf originally - shelves were hard to find. It was already known that hamsters liked labyrinth houses however, - the Trixie Lief Labyrinth house was quite popular, but a bit small for Syrians.

So here is the next incarnation. Very large house, very large wheel - Charlie was happy - but the main issue then was - not enough floorspace left in the cage!

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Charlie was happy and had a lot of out of cage time, but I'd sometimes get up in the night and find him sitting next to the cage door and looking like he really wanted to come out. So I decided I really needed to upgrade him to a 100cm cage. By then a new 100cm Barney cage was available and there was also the Alexander cage. Both from Zooplus. I think those were the only 100cm cages available (although the Living world eco habitat had been released around that time - a perpex tank style on wheels - but also very expensive). And I liked barred cages for attaching things to bars.

I decided on the 100cm Barney cage - which was a good price - about £45 - compared to the Alexander which was usually about £70 and had a sloping roof so made the wheel location difficult. But there was one issue. The Barney cage had a large top door and the wobust wheel wouldn't fit in hanging upside down due to the top door - the stand would block the door. Unless I had the wheel at one end and I wanted to keep his layout similar. I'd learned by then that cage changes could be stressful and needed to be done to minimise stress.

But the silent runner wheel had just come out, and screwed to the bars, also a 12" wheel but slimmer so I sent for one to try, loved it and that was that. Barney cage and silent runner wheel. With the taller cage and the wheel right at the top of the cage (one good thing about them screwing to bars - you could put it where you want), this gave 6” of substrate under the wheel and maximised the floor space. I was beginning to realise you needed to be a bit of a mathematical engineer to work out a suitable hamster cage!

I kept Charlie's Ferplast Sin rabbit house to move across. It looked huge in the Mickey 2XL but looked small in the Barney cage!

Charlie was already 18 months old but fit and active and I decided it wasn't too late to give him a change and more space. I was worried it would stress him so let him have a play in it the day before moving him over. He was slightly skitty for 2 or 3 days but seemed happy and settled very quickly and loved his new big cage and wheel.

So here's his first Barney cage set up. And a new bigger rat tube. Which I still have! Although maybe I replaced it - I can't remember. The cage came with a nice big shelf at one end as well and he had an extra shelf along the back as it was quite a deep cage (54cm deep).

The cage base was much deeper and the cage much taller. So he had a lot more bedding and needed the tube for overhead cover now - and the house needed to be supported underneath to be high enough. Initially I had it standing on an old house to hold it up.

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This was his Barney cage (before finishing setting it up) on top of his old Savic Mickey 2XL - you can see the difference in size! Longer, deeper, taller.

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Anyway - he was happy in the cage - adjusted to the slight changes well - loved the roof run. Wasn't happy with the house. Because it had another house underneath holding it up it blocked him digging down. I decided to fork out for a Rodipet labyrinth house to swap over and got a tip from a German forum (and also a elusive) to glue dowels on for stilts on houses. The Germans also used non toxic non smelly ponal glue so I got some of that too. German owners on the German forum had huge tanks with 30cm of bedding and all natural set ups. They looked amazing but we English owners used to laugh and say - how on earth do you clean that?

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So here was the next incarnatation with the labyrinth house. Charlie loved that labyrinth house. His litter tray inside, a huge compartment for a nest, enough bedding to bury his hoards under his nest. There is a fabric snooze cube in it because he was about two years old by then and didn't chew things any more. And also because this photo was taken after I was short of things to put in the cage after I had a moth outbreak in the cage for the first time (which was when I researched about freezing food to prevent it happening again!). One of the great things about the Barney cage was it had very narrow 7mm bar spacing, and as you can see from the photo below, it meant you could have deeper bedding and it didn't fall out of the bars. Not much anyway!

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As he was older I'd adjusted it a bit also so everything was lower.

He began to have climbing difficulties as he got older so the next incarnation looked like this. His shelves were moved to the roof to give overhead cover and the hammock was for the same reason - he couldn't get up there. He had a lot more at floor level and it's the first time I used a cork log - which he loved. And just low steps up to his house roof.

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I feel bad that Charlie had so many changes in his life due to me not knowing more and him being my learning curve. However we had a lovely bond and he forgave me and was a happy boy and lived to the grand age of 2 years and 8 months. I had researched a lot when we had Charlie - in depth - and learned that hamsters don't like change - they like stability and sameness and familiarity. I had already worked that out, observing Charlie But at least I didn't change his layouts for fun or for theme photos! Just for necessity. From then on, all my hamsters moved straight into a fully set up 100cm cage and didn't need changes - although I've had two more moth outbreaks since, necessitating a full cage clean for Pickle and Raffy - which was a disruption for them.


That was a bit longer than intended - but those were my mistakes and cage incarnations for our first family hamster.

Would love for others to do their story too!
 
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Charlie was the "guinea pig" for a long succession of extremely happy Syrian and Robo hamster lives, and for this extremely informative and friendly forum. Well done Charlie, and well done Maz for seeking to question common practice and for your wonderful instincts about what hamsters need ❤️
 
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I thought your journey with Socks would be interesting too 😊 He had a cage upgrade didn’t he? It happens to so many people with a first hamster when a pet shop sells them something.
 
Yes, when I went to P@H to discuss buying Socks, they were friendly and helpful and we're quite knowledgeable. They directed me to a Hamster Heaven cage. I knew that Socks was the hamster I wanted, and was keen to take him home, HH and all, on the back of a shopping cart. They persuaded me to set up the cage, which was complicated but quite fun, with all its conglomeration of tubes. I meant to do just the straight cage, but got carried away, and the next day, 1st of December 2023 (coming up soon❤️), I carried Socks carefully home in his carrier, to a newly set up HH. He had lots of wood shavings and some hay for a bed.
 
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Do you have photos of your first set up and the changing set ups as things progressed? 😊
 
Initially he lurked around chattering his teeth. Interestingly, one of the first things he did was to pee in the little yellow plastic feeding bowl 😄. However he soon got going building up his hoard under the platforms, coming to the bars so that I could hand him Harry Hamster muesli items, and dashing into his burrows and turning straight round to come back for more. Then he got busy trying to chew the HH to bits, starting with the metal bars. My first video on the Hamster Forum was footage of Socks drilling cardboard boards with his teeth.
 
Do you have photos of your first set up and the changing set ups as things progressed? 😊
Yes, very memorable ones. My favourite is on my other phone, but it is on Socks' page on the forum under Syrian Hamsters, showing a young Socks cardboard busting 🥰
 
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Here he is! ❤️
 
The tubes came off and the cardboard went up. The monkey barring and bar biting were epic and I kept a stash of cardboard for the small hours to replace the ragged bits that gave way under the onslaught of rodent teeth. I joined the forum for counselling 🥴 and was encouraged to get Socks a wheel and a bigger cage. The Savic Plaza XL is his present home, and it is nice and spacious and sturdy, more escape proof than the HH with it's plastic bits and bobs.
 
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So, this was the photo I posted on fb to say that the cage was ready for a new occupant 🤦‍♀️
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I was told to get an 80x50 cm cage, which I did, but no other advice really. I last had hamsters approximately 15 years ago! Fortunately for Blossom, I realised my error fairly quickly and started to make changes.
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And some more changes…
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Blossom has always been a very active female Syrian, particularly when in heat, and who has a penchant for chewing …cue adding deeper bedding, platforms, more things to chew and a dig box which quickly became her favourite item in her cage…oh, and a bigger wheel too. The small wheel was recycled as her new dig box. Unfortunately, due to circumstances I wasn’t in a financial position to be able to upgrade her cage. However, with the addition of all the new enrichment, she settled really well, and has been happy in her enclosure ☺️
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The most recent version of her cage looks like this…
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She has made her own decision to remove the bedding from half of her cage, leaving the floor of the cage bare! But, she’s happy, and contented in her own little hamster world. She is 18 months old now 👍☺️ 🐹 🌸
 

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I will say that it’s definitely been harder starting off wrong, and playing catch up. I wish I had known from the beginning what was needed because her enclosure would have looked entirely different! But, she is happy and I guess that’s what it comes down to in the end 🤷🏻‍♀️
 
Is she really almost 18 months old? 😊. Time flies! I know what you mean - I’d have liked to have known everything at first as well. But there is another element too in that every hamster is different and some have their own ideas! I had one Syrian who was much happier in an 80 x 50 cage - he was very shy and nervy. And another one for whom no cage was big enough!
 
The tubes came off and the cardboard went up. The monkey barring and bar biting were epic and I kept a stash of cardboard for the small hours to replace the ragged bits that gave way under the onslaught of rodent teeth. I joined the forum for counselling 🥴 and was encouraged to get Socks a wheel and a bigger cage. The Savic Plaza XL is his present home, and it is nice and spacious and sturdy, more escape proof than the HH with it's plastic bits and bobs.
Socks is such an energetic little boy 😊. He really kept you on your toes!
 
Yes, I first noticed him in the pet shop bar biting at the front of the cage and squinting up at me roguishly, then setting off for the top of the water bottle holder, taking several tumbles as it was a tricky climb. But he got up it, posing on it for a moment before turning his attention to the nest box where his brothers were sleeping and starting to climb that. I couldn't say I didn't know what I was letting myself in for 😄
 
Ha ha. Yes he was clearly showing his personality then :-)
 
Really interesting thread Pete is still in his HH with a few changes no tubes, plastic shelves replaced with wooden platforms joined onto a 2 room multi with ladders then a shelf into the corner he scoots around this level dodging into the hides one wooden one ceramic. He prefers to be up above where he can keep a watchful eye on us only tunnels to access his hoards or his sleep area. He has a sand filled oval pot dish for his toilet gone is the small purpose made plastic one. He is constantly in and out of his cage anything from a 5 minute cuddle to 4 hours comandeering our floor space.
 
I remember your shelves :-) Didn't your OH make them? It's hard to find the right shelves. Pete sounds very happy. There are always adjustments needed aren't there? I don't think any cage comes with the right stuff. So almost better to just start with an empty cage and build from there.

I must admit the Barney cage was one of the best for being "ready to do" it came with a good wood shelf and ramp and a good sized wood house and also had a basic 8" wheel - which was ok as a starter wheel for a couple of weeks or more with a young hamster, until a bigger one could be found.
 
Yes my o/h custom made the shelves even curved the top edge to fit right into the corner. What I'd really like now is some plastic barricades little monkey is taking over the bungalow your new playpen opened would be fantastic but it's rather expensive so making do with sturdy cardboard. Oops sorry didn't mean to hijack the cage thread.
 
It's a problem I had with a corner shelf. I found I couldn't use it in the end after buying it separately. The gap could be dangerous if the hamster tries to squeeze through it and gets stuck. There was a space between the side of the shelf and the bars as well which I was not sure about. But if you are good at DIY, wooden shelves can work well with adjustment 🏡
 
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