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Hello everyone. This is Rusty, who joined us almost two weeks ago. So far he is settling in well, but sleeps a bit more than his young owner would like...! He's a great little character, enjoys foraging for his food and snaffling it all away to his underground house. Seems quite curious and friendly so far. We have left him to settle for a couple of weeks, just letting him investigate our hands and take treats now and then. Hoping to get him out to explore and play this weekend 🙂. Any tips on early settling and taming gratefully received!

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Hello and welcome to the forum. Rusty is very handsome, I particularly like the last picture with his lovely big ears, like he needs to grow into them a little 😀
Looking forward to hearing more about him.
 
He's absolutely gorgeous! That sounds good if he's curious and friendly and you're actually seeing him :-) What time does he get up? I'd suggest offering him a tube to walk into, as a taxi, and then putting him in hamsterproof area or playpen or the dry bathtub, for some socialising time. It can be quite slow getting them used to being handled so patience is needed :-) There are some tips in the taming article below.

 
Resisting the urge to interact and leaving them alone is the #1 thing you can do early on, so great job! :cool: Sounds like you're already doing the right things.

Two helpful tidbits I can offer: try rubbing your or your child's hands (guessing based on your post) gently in the bedding and leave a treat there. Build the association between human & positive things.

When he's a little more used to your presence, I really like forage boards for bonding. They can be a little interactive, you can refill them after Rusty solves a part of it. You can make a simple one with two pieces of cardboard and children's glue. Cut some holes in one piece, leave the other one intact and glue them together. Fill the holes with treats, they love it when you refill something fun for them.
 
Thanks for that reminder ilguy - I really must make a forage board :-) Mind you Syrians can be a bit picky and ignore some things ha ha. Or just chew up the cardboard.
 
Thanks everyone! Steve, his "perfect" ears, as she calls them, are one of the things my daughter loves most 🙂. She loved your comment about needing to grow into them! 😅

Thanks so much for the other tips and article link Maz and ilguy. Definitely noticing more confidence in wee Rusty the last few days - he comes right up and stands against the acrylic at the front of his enclosure to have a good look at us now and seems eager to get out the door to sniff at us when we open it (we have the bucatstate which has been great for giving him access to us without getting in his space). He sometimes comes and takes a little snack from my daughter in the morning before heading off to bed for the day. He's very sweet. He's my daughter's first pet. She's 10 and very nervous about harming him in any way, so has been taking things very slowly.
 
What a gorgeous photo - you might want to enter a photo in this month's photo competition :-)

It's lovely your daughter is being so considerate of him - that will pay off. The nerves where off once you get to be able to handle them without them "pinging" - which is wriggling free and leaping 2 feet in the air at the same time! Hence any taming is best down low down in a playpen or the bathtub with a blanket in it eg. Start with strokes. If he jerks his head round or shakes you off, just wait till next time and do it again. Once they get used to being touched without jerking round, you're partway there.

 
I had my first ever hamster when I was 10. He was a short haired black eyed cream called Horace.

I remember how delighted I was when he sat in his cage and had a wash. Awww.

Rusty is lovely. I have a dog named Rusty!
 

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Hello everyone - a wee update on Rusty, if anyone can shed any light?

His behaviour has changed quite a bit in the last few days. As above, we left him for a couple of weeks to just settle in - didn't have him out at all, just talked to him when he got up in the evening and if still up in the morning, did a loose routine of putting food and water in at the same time each day, and gave him the odd snack out of our hands. He seemed pretty settled and we had no concerns.

He has a multi-chamber hide under the level of his bedding, on stilts. On day two, he made a nest in the inner room, and began to use the room next to it as a toilet. He takes everything into the inner room - food, chews, some sprays... Just after two weeks, we did a spot clean, with him in the cage. Nothing major - cleared away some poo, cleared away the peed on bedding inside his house (just in that second room where we could clearly see the corner he uses) and mixed some fresh bedding in to the older bedding in that room and some other areas of the enclosure that had compressed a bit/diminished during poo clearing. We tried to see where his hoard was but could only find one or two bits of food and didn't want to dig around too much under his nest as wanted minimum stress for a first spot clean and felt we had disturbed it enough. We didn't add or remove anything from his nest. I removed the wheel to clean away poo underneath (I had cleaned the wheel a couple of days earlier while he slept as he pees on it occasionally), and unfortunately ended up with too much bedding underneath. He couldn't wait for me to sort it properly, jumping on before I had the chance to get it going properly again, and got a bit worried when his wheel wouldn't turn, panic climbing the sides trying to get it going. However, it was sorted quickly and he was back on it straight away, before I could get my hand out of it after fixing! When we put everything back to normal, he seemed fine, slowed down to his usual pace, and we gave him a little treat.

That same evening (and wondering if we went wrong here - too much in one go?), we got Rusty out for the first time. We set up a large pen adjoining his cage, just out of cardboard sheets taped together. My daughter sat in it along with various enrichment activities (cardboard tunnels, things to nibble, a little den, etc) and had hidden some little bits of food for him to forage. We didn't force anything, just presented a tube to him at the opening of his enclosure, but he was super keen to get out. We lifted him down to the floor in the tube (blocking the ends when he was inside to avoid a fall). He seemed fine with all of that, and was quick to explore, but unfortunately this mainly consisted of him roaming the boundary of the pen, trying to get a nibble hold or find a way to dig out. He didn't show any interest in my daughter at all, but wasn't one bit fazed by her - going behind her several times (only a few centimetres between her and the walls of the pen) to search/scratch the perimeter. My daughter didn't enjoy it at all, she was quite nervous about this escapee behaviour, and he seemed to be getting quicker/more frantic in his actions, so I popped a little bit of food in the tube and encouraged him inside before returning him to his enclosure. He seemed to settle down, and all was fine - we gave him a little fresh food and thought we'd leave it a few days before trying again (this was Sunday evening).

Now, here comes the change... the last couple of nights, he's started chewing his door and searching the enclosure for ways out. We have the bucatstate 2.0 (150x50 version), so his cage is technically big enough for a syrian. Unfortunately when it's so full of bedding, the sides bow slightly and this has caused the door to not quite sit fully flush at one side, which is where he's found a little nibble hold. This has started to keep my daughter up as it's very noisy - he's quite frantically chewing at it (though not all night, enough to worry us)! Last night I managed to get it flush again and taped it up - he had another go at it after, but wasn't as successful so seemed to give up quite quickly. However, he now climbs on everything to reach up and poke his nose through the ventilation on the top and have a little nibble there, and investigates every air hole and opportunity for potential escape! The multi-chamber house we had also allowed us to see in into the first two rooms of his house, just not the inner one where he nests, but in the last couple of days he has blocked up the whole view into the second room (where he pees) with bedding, so we now can't see in to that room at all. Fine in itself, but just concerning given he was happy with it as it was pre-clean. Otherwise, he still seems to be doing everything he did before. He spends time in his wheel, digs and forages (he has three pots with different digging materials in, plus a bucatstate toilet full of sand, that he peed in once on the first day and now just seems to like digging in!! He digs all the sand to one side, then turns round and repeats in the opposite direction... He has another sand bath area that he doesn't really use for bathing/digging - though seems to have been digging there slightly since the spot clean). This morning he pouched a fresh pile of torn up loo roll we'd left in his little white house hide after we spot cleaned and took it down to his nest, so seems to be looking after his home as usual. He has 8-11 inches of bedding at the deepest area of this enclosure, less at the wheel end, but doesn't seem to burrow much at all yet except a little in his house (I couldn't tell if his burrowing extends further there without disturbing it too much).

Could it be that he's had a taste of life outside his cage and just wants more? Or is he unhappy? Is this maybe just a reaction to the spot clean and he'll settle back down when he understands the threat is over? My daughter is quite distressed about it all, worrying that he's unhappy and just wants to escape :(

I've attached photos of his enclosure, if there's anything we could change/add to enrich it further? He likes whimzees, but those disappear off to his bed as soon as they're added! He's also taken three other wooden chews into his nest too, so I don't think he's chewing due to a lack of things to chew... I've also just ordered the Omlet large playpen which I think will help, both for him when out of the cage (maybe less chance of him attempting to find a way out?), but also my daughter's confidence having a more secure area that she can reach into until she feels more confident sitting in his space with him (it's also big enough for her to be able to do that when she's ready).

Thanks for making it this far and apologies for the essay!

P.S. Edit to add, his multi-chamber house is under the ceramic white house in the back corner.
 

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To be honest, this all sounds quite normal for the early days :)

Could it be that he's had a taste of life outside his cage and just wants more? Or is he unhappy? Is this maybe just a reaction to the spot clean and he'll settle back down when he understands the threat is over?

Probably a bit of both - a bit of stress after the spot cleaning, and a bit of a taste outside of the cage. My own Syrian has been out twice recently - once while I was doing a partial clean (and he was stressed and not friendly and trying to escape the playpen) and then last night when he just came out as normal and was happier and more interactive. But even then it's quite normal for them to look for a way out of a playpen :-) Maybe more so in a smaller one than a larger one, but it's a basic hamster instinct to want to escape four walls.

Even if you let him have the entire room, he would still be trying to get under a door or something!

So basically it is going to take a bit of time and patience with the taming as he's not bonded or familiar with your daughter yet, and when that happens it will be easier and you might even be able to have him on the sofa with her.

It can take 2 to 3 months or it can just happen quite quickly after 2 or 3 weeks (picking them up and them accepting handling. You could start with just sitting there, having food on her upturned hand maybe. But if he's in a "mode" where he's a bit stressed after a change he probably won't be interested in food either.

Some of this is just feeling your way through it as hamsters have different personalities. Some prefer to see what's going on while you're spot cleaning - ie be in the cage. And accept the changes better then (although they might follow your hand round anxiously). Others get freaked out by it and it's better to do it when they're out of the cage. But then they might not want to come out for a few days when they go back and find something has changed.

It sounds like he was a bit scared that something had changed in his environment and a "predator" may have got in - hence him wanting to escape. They do get used to you doing it after a while :-)

I actually find a smaller area is easier for hand taming initially. Maybe you could use the bath tub initially until he'll eat from her hand or climb on her hand? A large playpen is lovely but it enables them to do their own thing more. Even though he didn't take much notice of your daughter, it was still positive as he would be getting used to her presence and scent there. They will sometimes climb over you like a piece of furniture without wanting to be held.

It really can be frustrating at first when you or a child just want to hold a hamster, but it is just time and patience until they learn to trust you and feel safe with you. But yes it might be better to have the next out of cage session when you haven't just spot cleaned :-) With poops - you don't need to worry about them too much unless they start taking over in a big way. They kind of hoard the odd poop sometimes so if all the poops are gone they may panic a bit. This goes back to the hard-wiring hoarding instinct and eating their poops (which is normal). In the wild, if there is a shortage of food, they can eat their poops - they have two stomachs - and redigest nutrients from them. So if all the poops are removed it could make him anxious. So best to leave a few behind :-)

With spot cleaning I just remove the pee'd area. You don't need to worry about the hoard just yet - unless it's been pee'd on which would be fairly obvious. I tend to leave the hoard a few months and then "prune" it from underneath when doing a partial substrate change - so it removes the older dried food but leaves the newer food that's been hoarded. They get really frantic if their hoard is taken away so alwasy best to leave some. If it does get pee'd on (eg if they hoard in their toilet area) then it does have to be removed, but then it's best to put a handful of new food back in the same area.

So your daughter maybe needs to just understand that it's not that he doesn't like her (and it does feel personal sometimes!) he's just a scared baby with a streak of wild hamster in him who hasn't got familiarised with humans yet :-)
 
This is so helpful and really reassuring, thanks Maz. Hoping he has a chewless night tonight - we're all quite tired today!! I think the poop absence may have had something to do with it - we were probably too thorough on that score (he had a huge pile of poop in his log tunnel, his favourite grooming spot, and quite a lot next to his wheel - we cleared both. I wonder if his log pile of poop was a second little hoard!). Will be sure to leave plenty behind next time. We'll stick to just clearing his pee area once a week for a few weeks, along with cleaning his wheel when necessary, and just remove a little poo if it builds up a lot, unless it suddenly seems like more is needed. And will keep out of cage time separate to cleaning nights - we were probably a bit overzealous as we hadn't had much opportunity to have him out and he seemed so keen :)

He definitely seems full of confidence - seems less and less bothered by our presence and quite often comes up to the front of the cage and just stands and looks at us while we talk to him, so hopefully no lasting damage done. He's also flinching and jumping off his wheel less when there's movement or light changes in the room too. Fingers crossed he'll be back to being more settled soon.

Thanks again!
 
Great explanation from Maz and a lovely rich cage set up from you. Rusty is a really lucky boy. Oooo an omlet play pen. I bet your daughter and Rusty will have a great time with that. Sounds like they are well on the way to becoming friends even though it may not feel like that just now.
 
I also think Rusty sounds like the kind of hamster who might want to be out of the cage regularly. How do you get him out? I train mine to walk into a rat tube and carry them to the playpen in that. Then they associate the tube as their "taxi" and will often go back and sit in it when they're ready to go back to the cage. If he's sitting at the front of the cage, he maybe wants to come out again :-)
 
Hi there and congratulations, Rusty is gorgeous and his enclosure looks lovely. It sounds as though he’s going to be a friendly little fella once he’s settled a bit more. It’s still very early days. 😊
 
Thanks everyone. He had a much more settled night, no chewing... that we know of! 🙂
 
That's good news :-)
 
When he's a little more used to your presence, I really like forage boards for bonding. They can be a little interactive, you can refill them after Rusty solves a part of it. You can make a simple one with two pieces of cardboard and children's glue. Cut some holes in one piece, leave the other one intact and glue them together. Fill the holes with treats, they love it when you refill something fun for them.
Thanks for this tip ilguy, we tried it with Rusty last night in his new playpen. He had a much better time out of his enclosure - we made him a few things to explore/play with, including a forage board which he loved! IMG-20241003-WA0016.jpg
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